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Re: It Is Astonishing..

Posted by **murray** on Mar 31, 2019 at 7:36:03 AM:
In Reply to: Re: It Is Astonishing.. posted by **comic relief** on Mar 30, 2019 at 9:45:36 PM:

****..to know that there are actually people who believe the media has absolutely nothing to apologize for after the last few years...How many supposed bombshell stories on Trump/Russsia were revealed to be totally without foundation?...
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***Has it been proven that Russia had an influence on the 2016 election? Was there an investigation into any connections between Trump and Russia? Were there multiple indictments of people connected to Trump's campaign and Russia? Have there been convictions of people that were part of Trump's campaign?
***While the media does sensationalize the news for ratings, they are still reporting the information they are provided. There was a very solid foundation to report on the investigation, it's called the investigation. So, you tell me what they need to apologize for.
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***Should the media have apologized for reporting on the OJ trial just because he wasn't convicted of murder?
***Should the media have apologized to Al Capone because he was only convicted of tax evasion?
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****How many reporters were canned or suspended for peddling garbage news stories?....
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***You tell me, but I'd guess it's probably just a small handful directly related to Trump. When a journalist publishes something that can be demonstrably proven false, they don't work as a journo for long.
***Entertainment reporters can report whatever the fuck they want and they face little scrutiny. Fox News is the epitome of entertainment reporting as of late. They are a propaganda arm for the GOP and Trump specifically and it doesn't matter if facts can prove something false, they will run with it. You may say the same about every other outlet, that they're the propaganda machine for the Dems. While I won't deny that there is some of that, Fox is by far the worst offender of peddling garbage. It's actually quite frightening to me that the POTUS tweets Fox News on a regular basis and often live tweets whatever nonsense they're spewing. The office of president has incredible power and directly endorsing only one 'news' source is exactly what dictators and autocrats do. Calling everything other news source 'the enemy of the people' should frighten us all. Control the media, and you have full control of the people.
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****But some seem to able to justify all that...
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****And they want to endlessly slam Donald Trump for his dishonesty and ruthlessness?
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****Give the media a free pass and you're no better than that which you claim to despise...
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***When the media lies, they are quickly called on it and proven wrong. When the president lies, the media calls him on it, and he calls them fake.
***You're choosing to believe the carnival barker and snake oil salesman. Unfortunately there are too many rubes just like you and people like Donald Trump can tell you they're the only honest one and for some reason you'll believe him.
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****Remember that blast from the past which goes "We have met the enemy and they is us"?
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***It's 'he is us' and it was a statement on our own responsibility for the environment. A little ironic you would choose to reference this when Trump and his administration are doing everything they can to reverse any policy that has been put in place to try to help our environment, all in the name of business and $.
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**Maybe you're not old enough to remember, but there was a time when a reputable news media organization would have never gone with an explosive story based on one anonymous source. In the past few years, we've seen why was this sound judgement.
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*The landscape for journalists has changed considerably in the last 10-20 years. It's still changing with social media and this is where I think everything is falling apart and I truly believe social media could be the downfall of our society. It's not about getting it right, it's about getting it first and getting the most clicks/likes/mentions/hashtags/whatthefuckever.
*Unfortunately, Trump is someone who plays to the lowest denominator and he's been able to work this downturn to his benefit. PT Barnum said there is no bad publicity, and Trump is following that perfectly. He capitalized on all the free advertising he could through the media. You mentioned the Rolling Stone piece, read through that. It's a good article that talks about how Trump plays the crowd and the media.
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**When you propel stories which turn out to be absolutely without foundation, reputable media outlets at least issue a retraction if not an apology.
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*Reputable media outlets have done exactly that when they have gotten something wrong.
*Reputable and not so reputable media outlets have opinion segments and have filled 1000s of hours of people speculating on what they thought would come of the investigation. They held those opinions based on facts of the case of the actual investigation. While the Barr's summary of the Mueller investigation doesn't put all the dots together, it doesn't change the fact that there are all sorts of dots for people to talk about.
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**I am certainly not saying that al reporters should apologize for their reporting on the Mueller investigation. I've heard it said that all of them were just asking questions and that's bullshit. Some were delivering verdicts and those are the ones who should hang their heads in shame. Of course, they're not capable of shame so..
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*It seems you are saying that. You generalized and simply said 'the media'. I asked for something specific that needs an apology...can you provide an example? Your position seems to be the same as Trump's, that everyone owes him apology simply for the fact that an investigation didn't concretely prove he committed treason. This goes back to my reference to Al Capone. Is there any doubt that Al Capone was the king of organized crime in Chicago? Regardless of that common knowledge, he was only convicted of tax evasion.
*Trump is a modern day crime boss and he revels in that. He's achieved the highest position in this country in spite of so much that shows he's not only highly unqualified, but totally corrupt and lacking even an ounce of ethics or integrity. My guess is that one reason that Mueller didn't indict Trump is because of the argument that a sitting president can't be indicted. And while Trump is arguably an idiot, he's not a stupid man in that he has always kept himself buffered from direct responsibility. He is currently one of the most powerful men in the world, and people will do whatever they can to have any a taste of that power. Many more will fall before Trump is done.

There are dozens if not hundreds of examples from the past few years...What about the story that James Comey was going to refute the claim that he had told Trump three times he wasn't the object of the investigation? Instead, Comey came out and clearly stated that he did indeed say that to Trump... What about the 'Cohen went to Prague' bombshell?...Or the story that Mueller himself refuted?...There are matters which involve highly serious issues and some of lesser importance... Trump removing the MLK bust from the Oval Office bullshit, for example...But it's always important when they get it way fucking wrong...

You put that zeal to be first with a scoop together with a personal bias against the subject of that scoop and you have the potential for some major trainwrecks..

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